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As per Tibia Wiki there are three Cavemen Gods, as follows:

  • Fasuon 
  • Krunus, plant god 
  • Pandor, warrior god 

I am looking for any informations, remarks, books, articles, etc regarding Cavemen Gods and their history as also who actually worship them.

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It is important to start with the fact that there is one more cavemen god. His name is Uztroth. To learn something about the cavemen gods you need to talk to the NPC Ulala and the NPC Lazaran.

Let me now quote part of my article from TibiaSecrets:

Interestingly, the primitive tribe has a highly complex belief system. We can mention four gods worshipped by the cavemen. These are Pandor Uzroth, Krunus and Fasuon.

If we ask Lazaran and Ulala about each of them we should quickly come into conclusion that we know their gods quite well: Fardos, Uman Zatroth, Crunor and Suon. Interestingly, Tibia Fandom describes Pandor, Krunus and Fasuon as separate gods which in my opinion is wrong.

So, the gods of the cavemen are well-known Tibia gods, but with different names.

Source:

https://tibiasecrets.com/mystery-of-the-cavemen/

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Interesting thoughts. It's nice to see someone interested in the topic of caveman beliefs. Judging by your comment you have studied it very well so consider turning your comment into an answer.
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Hi Odd one out!
It is long research, some points seems to be valid, some little bit "stretched out" but I agree with Mogh- consider posting it as an answer rather than a comment;-)
Also, before you spill all your beans- please check latest Tibiasecrets contest regarding the mysteries;-) I am pretty much sure you could compose nice article + got some nice reward from there. Have fun !
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To both Mogh and Idontknow - by the time I finished typing and editing I did realise that what I had created fits more into the category of an answer than a comment, but as a brand new user here I don't think I have the necessary powers to change my comment into an answer (or at least I don't see them yet). But more and more editing powers get unblocked for me as my activity grows, so I will take your advice and do that as soon as possible ;)

Mogh - Thank you for your kind words. When I gather some more information about the Cavemen I will answer directly to your main article on TibiaSecrets (if I still think that there is anything relevant to add after checking things thoroughly). like I said, I seem to remember some aditional details about their life, namely about their inner tribal relationsphis, (so about things not connected to spiritual beliefs at all this time), but perhaps I'm just wrong after all - it's been a while since I last talked to them. And your article has also taught me some new interesting details, so together with this thread here it has sparked my interest in the whole story all over again :)

Idontknow - haha, I'm mostly interested in Tibian lore, not in "exping" in the game, so when I see those kind of topics I can't stop my fingers from typing ;)  I'm glad that you liked at least some part of my answer.

But yes, for those kind of long and detailed topics its probably best to write the whole articles on other websites, especially on TibiaSecrets, where we are probably a bit more free to  expand on the topic and even to digress a little ;)

I "discovered" both this QA site AND TibiaSecrets a few days ago, I really liked them both, and of course I got excited about both the lottery here and the contest there too, but I decided that I sitll don't know enough about any of the subjects currently available to choose from (for the contest article). But I already "sharpen my nails" for anything connected with Svargrond, as my main tibian intrests naturally gravitate there ;)

EDIT: Apologgies, I edited the name of the site. Yes, it's currently unavailable for me too, and I'm sleepy, hence my mistake. (Shame on me!), those are indeed two different sites, but I meant the one created by Mogh and Bosst, with the recent contest and with the articles about the Cavemen and the Nomads (and many others), which I explore a bit for the last few days.

And for some reason I CAN copy my own comment, but I CANNOT "paste" it (or anything else, not even a link to another site or to somebody else's relevant question here) when I write any answer here on this forum. As soon as that obstacle diappears I will follow your advice.

SECOND EDIT: Done! I've copied my initial comment and finally managed to paste it into an answer instead. If you could kindly hide my initial comment now - I would be very grateful :)

THIRD EDIT: It turns out that I can hide my own comments myself, so I took the liberty to do so. If that's not enough please feel free to correct whatever I've done wrong ;)
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copy paste and post as an answer. Once it is done I will hide your comment with post:) and I meant Tibiasecrets.com (at the moment website is 404 error but will be back soon) which is different than TibiaMystiries ;-)
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I fully agree that the Caveman gods are, in fact, THE SAME few Gods as in the offical lore, the same powers which are worshipped in most other parts of Tibia. 

That's what I've always thought, ever since I met the Cavemen and talked with them for the first time, which was a decade or so ago.

 In fact, I'm really suprised that this fact (that the Cavemen tribe of people worship the same Gods as most other Tibians) wasn't a common knowledge until now . 

To Mogh - I've read your full article on TibiaSecrets and I really enjoyed it, although I also respecfully disagree with a couple of things ;)

 (I will have to visit those Cavemen soon again, because I seem to remember some different asnwers and a bit different story they gave me those 10 years ago, compared to what you presented at some point in your article. But that's a minor thing and perhaps their transcripts have been changed since then, or maybe I just misunderstood something in the past).

However, sticking strictly to the subject of their Gods discussed here, I think that their counterparts from the main lore are a bit different than what you propose here. 

I believe that:

1) Krunos is indeed Crunor - that one is probably the most obvious, both his name and abilities or powers of "giving life and making things grow" fit perfectly. 

"K" and "C" represent the same or similar phoneme across different languages, we change the ending from "R" to "S" and we get Krunos out of Crunor. Nice and easy, I don't have any doubts as to his identity here.

2) Uzroth is indeed one entity derived from the pair of somewhat-independent-yet-forever-bound-together gods Uman Zathroth. This pair of deities function as kind of Divine Twins in Tbia lore, both opposing and complementing each other, in a very Yin and Yang sort of way where one cannot exist without the other and the balance is achieved somewhere in-between of their eternal strife. 

So it's not that surpsising that they were fused and merged into one single entity in the minds of some remote tribe of people. I won't call those people primitive, because I think they're really wise, spiritually. But they have their own simple ways of life and perhaps also a bit simpler ways of thinking than what, let's say, a priestess from one of the main Tibian temples or a learned Wizard from the Edron Academy of Might and Magic would have to say on the same matter. So perhaps they're OVERSIMPLIFYING certain things... Or possibly it's the other way round, perhaps it is the nerdish learned bunch of priestesses and wizards who make everything unncessarily OVERCOMPLICATED ;)

Anyway, Uman has kept his initial U, Zatroth was modified into a shorther form "Zroth" - and what  we get is Uzroth. His innate duality makes him volatile, unpredictable and "easy to anger", as the tribe describes him.

3) But similarly, Fasuon is, as I STRONGLY believe, one entity derived from the offical pair of Tibian two SUNS, which are FAFNAR and Suon. Just like with Uman- Zathroth pair, they both oppose and complement each other, one of them being the peaceful and benevolent sun and the other the furious and scorching one; the first of them forever chasing and guarding the fleeing and rebelious other one. 

Note that even in those transcripts which you have presented here, the Cavemen talk about Fasuon as the great WATCHER who SEES EVERYTHING with his pair of FLAMING EYES, and that a lot of EVIL HAPPENS AT NIGHT, when Fasuon closes his eyes and SLEEPS. That's why I'm absolutely sure, that Fasuon is precisely the Fafnar-Suon fusion, merged into one single entity with a pair of all-seeing, flaming eyes - opened during the day, closed at night: when predators lurk unseen in the shadows, when enemy creeps closer in the darkness, and when all sorts of unpredictable, invisible dangers surround the unsuspecting, soundly sleeping victims who simply can't be alert all the tme. 

Those descriptions of Fasuon, his powers and his weakneses (when he closes his eyes at night) bring to my mind exactly the divine pair of Fafnar and Suon - Tibian fascinating Siblings Suns. Fafnar's name begins with "Fa", then we add "Suon" and we get Fasuon. It really fits so far.

4) And finally, I believe that their Pandor is the divine warrior BANOR, not Fardos. Here is my reasoning:

-  From a mythological/spiritual point of view, when we read the description of his "area of expertise" and abilities, and then compare them  to Banor's lore - we see that  this is the same  archetype of a great, powerful, brave, NOBLE WARRIOR, an eternal fighter, encouraging and inspiring his bravery in others. He is STRONG and VICTORIOUS, so he's sad or even ashamed that the Cavemen tribe had lost the battle with its many stronger enemies and retreated into the mountains where they  just hide in shame and defeat. (I'm not saying that it's their fault or that they currently have any chance of a spectacular victory, as their tribe is too small, but their defeat makes them bitter and they feel unworthy of Pandor's blessings right now).

It's true that in the main mythology/lore Banor is described as a MORTAL MAN (not an original deity) YET he was not only the FIRST HUMAN but also, as some believe, had ascended to GODHOOD, after fulfilling his mission on Earth. But I think it's an even stronger reason for the tribe to worship him as a sort of a relatable "immortalised mortal", a celestial HERO who protects them and who is worth to imitate, especially in the tough times, when the tribe really needs some courage in their hearts... Even in the official lore Banor was the beacon of HOPE for humans in the wars with Djinns or with the ORCISH HORDE,which is precisely the main enemy that the Cavemen tribe has to deal with right now (!).

- And from a linguistic point of view - voiced consonant "B" changes into it's unvoiced counterpart "P", then the middle consonant "N" gets a dental "D" attached to it and we get PANDOR out of BANOR. 

That's how I interpet in anyway - I don't think that Fardos is mentioned by the tribe at all, and even in the main mythology, he stands above and apart from everyone else, as Fardos the Creator. (The Genesis says that he was one of the two elder Gods, together with Uman Zathroth, but it is Fardos who INITIATES the creation, as he is simply "overflowing with creative power and impatient to release it", that's why I say that for me he's somehow separate even from his co-creators of the Tibian world).

Anyway, even though I disagree with you on some parts, I'm still very pleased that someone is FINALLY talking about it at all, and going in what I believe is the generally right direction :)

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