How significant is the Hunting Rebalancing?

Question

With today's server save *28/01/2020*, a hunting ground balancing has been implemented. What changes exactly? 

What does it mean that something has been, for example, "moderately decreased"? By how many percent exactly is that? 

Answer 1

From a comment on reddit these are the changes in the monsters exp:

Monster	Exp Before	Exp Now	Change (%)
Grimeleech	8200	2870	65
Hellflayer	12500	4375	65
Vexclaw	7100	2485	65
Plaguesmith	4500	1350	70
Juggernaut	14000	4900	65
Fury	4500	1575	65
Hellhound	6800	2380	65
Hellfire fighter	3900	1365	65
Spectre	2100	2100	0
Nightmare	2150	817	62
Burning book	15300	11934	22
Rage squid	19000	14820	22
Guardian of tales	11800	9204	22
Ink blob	17000	14450	15
Icecold book	15000	12750	15
Squid warden	18000	15300	15
Animated feather	11600	9860	15
Energetic book	14300	12155	15
Brain squid	21000	17850	15
Energuardian of tales	13500	11475	15
Knowledge elemental	12600	9350	15
Biting book	11000	9350	15
Cursed book	15700	13345	15
Skeleton elite warrior	7500	4500	40
Undead elite gladiator	7900	4750	40
Midnight asura	4100	4100	0
Dawnfire asura	4100	4100	0
Hellspawn	2550	2550	0
Dark torturer	4650	2651	43
Destroyer	2500	2500	0
Grim reaper	5500	5500	0
Glooth golem	2200	1606	27
Rustheap golem	2300	1679	27
War golem	2750	2008	27
Metal gargoyle	1400	1022	27
Devourer	1800	1404	22
Glooth anemone	1800	1404	22
Spiky Carnivor	2500	1250	50
Menacing Carnivor	3200	1600	50
Lumbering Carnivor	2200	1100	50
Choking Fear	4700	4700	0
Retching Horror	3900	3900	0
Silencer	5100	5100	0
Frazzlemaw	3400	3400	0
Guzzlemaw	5500	5500	0
Deathling Scout	6300	6300	0
Deathling Spellsinger	6400	6400	0
Arachnophobica	4700	4700	0
Gazer Spectre	4200	4200	0
Burster Spectre	6000	6000	0
Ripper Spectre	3500	3500	0
Crazed Summer Rearguard	4700	4700	0
Crazed Summer Vanguard	5000	5000	0
Crazed Winter Rearguard	4700	4700	0
Crazed Winter Vanguard	5400	5400	0
Insane Siren	6000	6000	0

 

Monsters from the table with no changes in exp got their loot decreased significantly.

Comments

Oh i didn't know there is whole list:D

Answer 2

It means that some monsters will give you less loot or exp. I think every respawn got another % change. It would be stupid to make same % for all respawns since they or on different levels.

Example:

Nightmare now gives you 817 when before you could get 2150 . It's a little funny because Nightmare Scion gives you 1350.

Grimeleech gives you now  2870  when before it was 8200.

Hellflayer gives now 4375 and before change it was 12500

Dark Torurer gives now 2651 when it was before 4650

Loot example: 

10:57 Loot of a crazed winter vanguard: 8 platinum coins 10:57 Loot of a crazed winter rearguard: nothing 10:57 Loot of a crazed winter rearguard: nothing 10:57 Loot of a crazed winter rearguard: nothing 10:57 Loot of a crazed winter rearguard: nothing 10

Before it was impossible to get empty loot from elfs.

Answer 3

In my opinion they have made a huge mistake doing this. Once again, many good respawn have become useless. Who will hunt ferumbras seals now that they do not give exp enough for the risk you suffer by killing them. What about issavi? its creatures were only good because of its experience, now, they give same bad loot and less experience.

As I said.. such a bad idea. And as aneg pointed, there are senseless changes, as scion giving more experience than nightmares, or hellspawn giving similar to hellhounds

Comments

Hello. While I can understand the frustration, this does not attempt to answer the question and therefore should not be posted as such

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Although this answer is opinion-based, I can't agree with the downvote here. My question states also "what does it change" (also in-game) and here Beix provides some answer to that too ("many spawns becoming useless", etc.).
So thank you for this comment, also thank you Ellotris for providing the justification. Hugs!

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I'm glad to hear this answer satisfies you and in this case, we can keep it.

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Thinking further about it, maybe this should be split into two questions: One about the consequences of that change and one about exact explanation for terms "moderately decreased" and similar.

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Well I Must admit I did only read the question and not the "description" of It, my mistake. I Guess I needed a place to wrote my frustration about the new changes.

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Just cant understand why they change monsters  that are more than 10 years ingame

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Time ago they changed the price of the potion and runes because It is easy to profit nowadays. And now the reduce the loot or exp of the good respawns. Senseless aswell.
Now that there are a lot lvl 1000+, they decide to do this change so low lvls won't never be able to catch them. In my opinion the only respawn they should had changed is library, and It is on fact one whose changes were more.. "balance"

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Beix, the adjustment regarding XP was poorly done, but we really needed a loot change. That's what is supposed to be done to combat Tibia inflation. I know that affecting profit is a harsh thing, but Tibia economy needs to be fixed.

Cipsoft, however, did a poor job regarding it anyway. They didn't manage the game properly and now they are harvesting the sour grapes of years of crappy eco and crazy experience respawns.

Answer 4

In really fast short: 300lvls team (EK,ED,MS) on Nightmare Isle - always about 300-400k profit during 1hour to one person. Now 20k profit for one person.

Comments

That must be a bad joke :(.
P.s.  I saw my friends yday night at the Vexclaw/DT seal and they did 1.5k exp/h (duo level 600+) I do the same exp on my 130 RP on Ravenous Lava Lurkers xD

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yes, it's bad joke or bitter truth :((

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thanks for the information but frankly, I don't think that the loot change is intrinsically bad. I am a VERY low tier player, but talking with many people made me realize that Tibia is a game where is very easy to crank some crazy profits compared to 2009 when I started.

I would rather have that polemic loot change but also get the old prices for all of the supplies and houses, since the potions and housing spike affected in a harsh way the casual dudes like me and other people.

The experience change was ridiculous, nevertheless.

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I'll say this: it is good but it has been changed too drastically. earnings are changed not by half, but by half half this half. ^^ it's true, prices should be restored to the old, because now level 300 without beating bosses is not able to earn on imbuing, rent house, refil.

Answer 5

It's just ridiculous. CipSoft made a mistake to the company by creating places where players can get a HUGE exp and profit, made the game really easy. Now we have MANY players high level, with a lot of money and power. By doing this hunting rebalancing, Cip nerf the places where these players used to hunt and now they will go to where mid and low level hunt, ruining the game to these players (it's RIDICULOUS a player level 600 hunt in the same place where a level 300 hunt), just don't make sense. Mid/low level players will hunt in worse places and so on...it's not a good way to improve the game. CipSoft turned the game really easy and want to "undo" this but are doing a bad thing to many players. Some places where used to have 1-2 people hunting, now have a huge list with high level players. I am considering stop playing after my premium time ends.

CipSoft just create an even bigger gap between low/mid and high level, it's really bad to the game.

PS: I don't think that turning the game easy was a mistake to the players, but to CipSoft, who now want to take the money (gold) out of the game.